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What It's Like Building a Proprietary Power Trading Firm with Cory Paddock Cory Paddock (Cory Paddock) has been trading the physical power grid since the early 2000s. He built his own firm from scratch in 2014 — trading his own capital — and has navigated every major paradigm shift...

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