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🚨WEIRD PAY ALERT🚨 We have ABANDONMENT!!! Also, there is an irony this happened in Philadelphia and it was a Cincinnati Reds prospect that did it! This is from the 4th inning of today's Future's Game. Alfredo Duno of the Chattanooga Lookouts grounds a ball to third, and the throw from Caleb Bonemer up the line, and caught by first baseman Ralphy Velazquez. Velazquez has the ball and is straddling the baseline, so there is no where for Duno to go, so he basically says "screw it" and leaves the basepath and heads to the dugout. You can't see it here, but the first base umpire made the two-handed sweeping gesture for out of the baseline, but since the player isn't so much avoiding the tag as he is just heading to the dugout without completing the play, this is abandonment. You score it just the same as if the out was completed in regular fashion, so this is a 5-3 groundout. #MLBFuturesGame #RingTheBell #ATOBTTR

🚨WEIRD PAY ALERT🚨 We have ABANDONMENT!!! Also, there is an irony this happened in Philadelphia and it was a Cincinnati Reds prospect that did it! This is from the 4th inning of today's Future's Game. Alfredo Duno of the Chattanooga Lookouts grounds a ball to third, and the throw from Caleb Bonemer up the line, and caught by first baseman Ralphy Velazquez. Velazquez has the ball and is straddling the baseline, so there is no where for Duno to go, so he basically says "screw it" and leaves the basepath and heads to the dugout. You can't see it here, but the first base umpire made the two-handed sweeping gesture for out of the baseline, but since the player isn't so much avoiding the tag as he is just heading to the dugout without completing the play, this is abandonment. You score it just the same as if the out was completed in regular fashion, so this is a 5-3 groundout. #MLBFuturesGame #RingTheBell #ATOBTTR

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🚨ODD SCORING ALERT🚨 This is from tonight's #RedSox and Washington Nationals game, from the first inning. Here, Curtis Mead is picked off and decides to run way left of second base, and the throw from Willson Contreras hits him. For scoring purposes, this is a pickoff and a stolen base for Mead, because he took off on the pickoff and never stops or hesitates going to second, so even though the throw hits Mead, by rule it has to be a stolen base. Rules wise, this is a legal move by Mead. He isn't out of the base path because you can establish your own path, and if you don't want to run in a straight line, you don't have to (otherwise there would be no rounding of bases). You cannot be out of the basepath until a tag is attempted (and then you get three feet). #NATITUDE #DirtyWater

🚨ODD SCORING ALERT🚨 This is from tonight's #RedSox and Washington Nationals game, from the first inning. Here, Curtis Mead is picked off and decides to run way left of second base, and the throw from Willson Contreras hits him. For scoring purposes, this is a pickoff and a stolen base for Mead, because he took off on the pickoff and never stops or hesitates going to second, so even though the throw hits Mead, by rule it has to be a stolen base. Rules wise, this is a legal move by Mead. He isn't out of the base path because you can establish your own path, and if you don't want to run in a straight line, you don't have to (otherwise there would be no rounding of bases). You cannot be out of the basepath until a tag is attempted (and then you get three feet). #NATITUDE #DirtyWater

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🚨CHANGE 157🚨 6/24 Chicago Cubs at New York Mets (G2) T8 Pete Crow-Armstrong now has a single instead of reaching on an error. The error remains for allowing Crow-Armstrong to take 2nd Change 4 for NYM #Cubs #LGM

🚨CHANGE 157🚨 6/24 Chicago Cubs at New York Mets (G2) T8 Pete Crow-Armstrong now has a single instead of reaching on an error. The error remains for allowing Crow-Armstrong to take 2nd Change 4 for NYM #Cubs #LGM

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I’ve had a ton of questions regarding today’s first inning in Kansas City regarding the Philadelphia Phillies at Kansas City Royals, and why all six runs were earned despite an error. The error by Turner is a throwing error, and while a good throw would have ended the inning, this is NOT an assumed out error because of the out at second base (this is where you don’t assume a double play). So, even without this error, all six runs would have scored, so the six earned runs against Christopher Sánchez is correct. EDIT: adding this, but again, the error here is only for the extra base advancement, not for being safe at first, as the batter officially was safe on a fielder’s choice. The only way you could have an error on this is if the throw was a good one and on target, and the first baseman missed or dropped it. Outside of that, the error is just for the extra bases, not for how the batter reached. He reached on a fielder’s choice. #RingTheBell #FountainsUp

I’ve had a ton of questions regarding today’s first inning in Kansas City regarding the Philadelphia Phillies at Kansas City Royals, and why all six runs were earned despite an error. The error by Turner is a throwing error, and while a good throw would have ended the inning, this is NOT an assumed out error because of the out at second base (this is where you don’t assume a double play). So, even without this error, all six runs would have scored, so the six earned runs against Christopher Sánchez is correct. EDIT: adding this, but again, the error here is only for the extra base advancement, not for being safe at first, as the batter officially was safe on a fielder’s choice. The only way you could have an error on this is if the throw was a good one and on target, and the first baseman missed or dropped it. Outside of that, the error is just for the extra bases, not for how the batter reached. He reached on a fielder’s choice. #RingTheBell #FountainsUp

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OK, I have a definitive word on the CJ Abrams play from today's Pittsburgh Pirates at Washington Nationals game after talking with Elias Sports Bureau on this. This play will stay as a sacrifice fly. The originial ruling of NOT a sacrifice fly was for the exact same reason that I thought, which is that the infielder is not running into the outfield, which is year's past would have been correct As it was explained to me, in past years, an infielder had to be running almost in a straight line towards the outfield wall to be considered "running in the outfield". Here, since he is running, and he ends up further away from home (157 feet) than when he started (145 feet), this is going to count as a sacrifice fly. That definition is changing, in part from this play to help bring greater consistency, and to take some of the guesswork out of it (the argument that he is running into the outfield as opposed to more parallel). Now, folks all the time ask "why doesn't MLB publish the OS Manual" and I always say because it is a living document that can have the wording change, and the wording for this play will be modified to something like "more towards the outfield wall than towards home plate" to eliminate any confusion. The big key to this play is that he was running on a full sprint. Also, and this is helpful for me, but for all fly ball outs that score a run, Elias Saba reviews to ensure consistency. So, yes, it's a sacrifice fly, and now that I have that info from Elias themselves, that sort of settles this one. Sounds like the guidelines for this definition will be changing, either this season, or certainly for next season.

OK, I have a definitive word on the CJ Abrams play from today's Pittsburgh Pirates at Washington Nationals game after talking with Elias Sports Bureau on this. This play will stay as a sacrifice fly. The originial ruling of NOT a sacrifice fly was for the exact same reason that I thought, which is that the infielder is not running into the outfield, which is year's past would have been correct As it was explained to me, in past years, an infielder had to be running almost in a straight line towards the outfield wall to be considered "running in the outfield". Here, since he is running, and he ends up further away from home (157 feet) than when he started (145 feet), this is going to count as a sacrifice fly. That definition is changing, in part from this play to help bring greater consistency, and to take some of the guesswork out of it (the argument that he is running into the outfield as opposed to more parallel). Now, folks all the time ask "why doesn't MLB publish the OS Manual" and I always say because it is a living document that can have the wording change, and the wording for this play will be modified to something like "more towards the outfield wall than towards home plate" to eliminate any confusion. The big key to this play is that he was running on a full sprint. Also, and this is helpful for me, but for all fly ball outs that score a run, Elias Saba reviews to ensure consistency. So, yes, it's a sacrifice fly, and now that I have that info from Elias themselves, that sort of settles this one. Sounds like the guidelines for this definition will be changing, either this season, or certainly for next season.

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🚨CHANGE 174🚨 7/7 Milwaukee Brewers at St. Louis Cardinals (GM2) T8 Andrew Vaughn singled, instead of reaching via an error by JJ Wetherholt Change 5 for STL #ThisIsMyCrew #STLCards

🚨CHANGE 174🚨 7/7 Milwaukee Brewers at St. Louis Cardinals (GM2) T8 Andrew Vaughn singled, instead of reaching via an error by JJ Wetherholt Change 5 for STL #ThisIsMyCrew #STLCards

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Here is the play folks are asking about, and I don't see an error here. Triolo doesn't make an attempt at the runner going to second, so it cannot be a fielder's choice, and the struggle to get the ball out of his glove isn't an error unless there is a complete loss of contact/bobble with air, and I don't see that either, and Happ then beat out the play at first. I don't see where the error is because Happ is on the base before the ball gets to first. There is an error for the advancements after the bad throw, but I have a single and not an assumed out here.

Here is the play folks are asking about, and I don't see an error here. Triolo doesn't make an attempt at the runner going to second, so it cannot be a fielder's choice, and the struggle to get the ball out of his glove isn't an error unless there is a complete loss of contact/bobble with air, and I don't see that either, and Happ then beat out the play at first. I don't see where the error is because Happ is on the base before the ball gets to first. There is an error for the advancements after the bad throw, but I have a single and not an assumed out here.

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From the Kansas City Royals at Seattle Mariners If Cole Young was allowed to have his phone in his back pocket, he would have appealed this while standing on first base. This is 106.6 and the hop is horrible, it’s head high. This would have been an instantaneous hit call for me. This will 100% get changed.

From the Kansas City Royals at Seattle Mariners If Cole Young was allowed to have his phone in his back pocket, he would have appealed this while standing on first base. This is 106.6 and the hop is horrible, it’s head high. This would have been an instantaneous hit call for me. This will 100% get changed.

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🚨WEIRD SCORING RULE ALERT🚨 This is from today’s SFGiants at Colorado Rockies game. This was ruled a pop out and an RBI, but not a sacrifice fly. The rule in MLB is a sacrifice fly must be caught by an outfielder, or an infielder running into the outfield. I believe this will get appealed and changed as Devers is running into the outfield, and the fact that he stopped running to catch it doesn’t negate that. The scorer might be ruling this not a sacrifice fly because it was caught by an infielder, missing the “infielder running into the outfield” caveat. In college, this is a sacrifice fly because college doesn’t have the infielder rule.

🚨WEIRD SCORING RULE ALERT🚨 This is from today’s SFGiants at Colorado Rockies game. This was ruled a pop out and an RBI, but not a sacrifice fly. The rule in MLB is a sacrifice fly must be caught by an outfielder, or an infielder running into the outfield. I believe this will get appealed and changed as Devers is running into the outfield, and the fact that he stopped running to catch it doesn’t negate that. The scorer might be ruling this not a sacrifice fly because it was caught by an infielder, missing the “infielder running into the outfield” caveat. In college, this is a sacrifice fly because college doesn’t have the infielder rule.

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🚨SCORING RULES ALERT🚨 This is from today's Detroit Tigers at New York Mets game. Here, with Workman on second, Zach McKinstry hits a fly to left that lands, and Workman is thrown out 7-5 at third base. This was ruled a single, and the question has been asked as to why. First, this is the correct scoring, as this is a single. If this were a ground ball to short, and the runner is out 6-5 at third on a ball that would have otherwise been a hit, this would have been a fielder's choice, and the difference is in the wording on rule 9.05(b)(3), which says that you do not score a hit when a: (3) pitcher, the catcher or any infielder handles a batted ball and puts out a preceding runner who is attempting to advance one base or to return to his original base, or would have put out such runner with ordinary effort except for a fielding error. The Official Scorer shall charge the batter with a time at bat but no hit; The key is in the McKinstry play, the ball is handled by an outfielder, and not the pitcher, catcher, or any infielder. Another one of those fun weird scoring rules that is great to have in your back pocket for when it comes up.

🚨SCORING RULES ALERT🚨 This is from today's Detroit Tigers at New York Mets game. Here, with Workman on second, Zach McKinstry hits a fly to left that lands, and Workman is thrown out 7-5 at third base. This was ruled a single, and the question has been asked as to why. First, this is the correct scoring, as this is a single. If this were a ground ball to short, and the runner is out 6-5 at third on a ball that would have otherwise been a hit, this would have been a fielder's choice, and the difference is in the wording on rule 9.05(b)(3), which says that you do not score a hit when a: (3) pitcher, the catcher or any infielder handles a batted ball and puts out a preceding runner who is attempting to advance one base or to return to his original base, or would have put out such runner with ordinary effort except for a fielding error. The Official Scorer shall charge the batter with a time at bat but no hit; The key is in the McKinstry play, the ball is handled by an outfielder, and not the pitcher, catcher, or any infielder. Another one of those fun weird scoring rules that is great to have in your back pocket for when it comes up.

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🚨WEIRD PLAY ALERT🚨 Oh no!!! It's Chicago Cubs at San Diego Padres! This was the first batter of the game, and this was scored a base hit. You can see Ty France lose this in the sun and peel away, and Cronenworth struggles as well, misjudges it and has to dive. Since this is miscommunication between the two fielders, and Cronenworth is diving, this was scored a base hit.

🚨WEIRD PLAY ALERT🚨 Oh no!!! It's Chicago Cubs at San Diego Padres! This was the first batter of the game, and this was scored a base hit. You can see Ty France lose this in the sun and peel away, and Cronenworth struggles as well, misjudges it and has to dive. Since this is miscommunication between the two fielders, and Cronenworth is diving, this was scored a base hit.

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Only five, watch isn’t terrible lol. Here is the play with Abrams at the plate. This is a throw on the run for Chapman and I would have had this as a single and an error as this to me is above ordinary effort. The issue is the scorer might think CHAPMAN can make that play, but it’s ordinary effort for the average fielder at that position.

Only five, watch isn’t terrible lol. Here is the play with Abrams at the plate. This is a throw on the run for Chapman and I would have had this as a single and an error as this to me is above ordinary effort. The issue is the scorer might think CHAPMAN can make that play, but it’s ordinary effort for the average fielder at that position.

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🚨CHANGE 64🚨 5/30 Detroit Tigers at Kansas City Royals T4 Zach McKinstry advances to second base on a caught stealing error by second baseman Jonathan India with an assist to catcher Salvador Perez, instead of a stolen base Change 7 for KC #RepDetroit #FountainsUp

🚨CHANGE 64🚨 5/30 Detroit Tigers at Kansas City Royals T4 Zach McKinstry advances to second base on a caught stealing error by second baseman Jonathan India with an assist to catcher Salvador Perez, instead of a stolen base Change 7 for KC #RepDetroit #FountainsUp

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Here is the play in question from the Kansas City Royals game and honestly? He doesn't lose this in the sun, but that's what the scorer went with it looks like. This certainly would have been scored an error by me. He has it in his glove and he never flinched. #FountainsUp

Here is the play in question from the Kansas City Royals game and honestly? He doesn't lose this in the sun, but that's what the scorer went with it looks like. This certainly would have been scored an error by me. He has it in his glove and he never flinched. #FountainsUp

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🚨WEIRD PLAY ALERT🚨 First, weird doesn’t do this justice. This is from Wednesday night’s game between AAA Albuquerque Isotopes at Reno Reno Aces … with one out B9, ABQ leads 4-3, but Reno has bases loaded. Connor Kaiser hits a gapper for a double and seemingly the win … BUT … R3 (Aramis Garcia) scores to make it 4-4 R2: (Christian Pache) runs into Ildemaro Vargas who ran on the field with a cell phone to record the celebration and accidentally knocked Pache over, which is unintentional interference. R1: (Andy Weber) stopped before third, and Kaiser rounded second and started to head to the celebration… BUT… Pache was called out (2-unassisted) so it was 4-4 … BUT … Topes CF Sam Hilliard thought the game was over on the hit so he flipped the ball over the fence to a kid … BUT … Since it was only 4-4, and coach/player interference is not a dead ball, flipping the ball into the stands is an error on Hilliard, and the penalty is the base you are going to at the time of the throw, plus another, meaning Weber, who stopped short of third, was awarded third, and then home to win the game. Final score … 5-4 Reno. Holy crap. Now, they will get the scoring fixed tomorrow (let’s face it this is a new one) but they will remove on of the RBIs from Kaiser, and add an error to Hilliard. The first runner is unearned because he reached on an error, and since Pache’s INT should have been the third out, Weber is also unearned. Absolutely the dumbest, silliest, best baseball ending to a game in a long, long time. Jomboy and Close Call Sports & Umpire Ejection Fantasy League will have a field day. Here is the clip with the ABQ radio call over it because it conveys the craziness way better than the Reno call.

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