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🚨GROUND RULE SINGLE ALERT🚨 We had another walk-off ground rule single to give the Detroit Tigers a 2-1 win over the Los Angeles Dodgers today. The bases were loaded when Kevin McGonigle hit a ball that bounced over the wall for what is normally a ground rule, or automatic, double. But, since the winning run was on third, the batter can only be credited with the number of bases it takes to score the winning run, so in this case a single. The exception to this is an on out of park run, everyone is entitled to score (meaning all must touch all the bases to count). #Dodgers #RepDetroit

🚨GROUND RULE SINGLE ALERT🚨 We had another walk-off ground rule single to give the Detroit Tigers a 2-1 win over the Los Angeles Dodgers today. The bases were loaded when Kevin McGonigle hit a ball that bounced over the wall for what is normally a ground rule, or automatic, double. But, since the winning run was on third, the batter can only be credited with the number of bases it takes to score the winning run, so in this case a single. The exception to this is an on out of park run, everyone is entitled to score (meaning all must touch all the bases to count). #Dodgers #RepDetroit

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🚨WEIRD PAY ALERT🚨 We have ABANDONMENT!!! Also, there is an irony this happened in Philadelphia and it was a Cincinnati Reds prospect that did it! This is from the 4th inning of today's Future's Game. Alfredo Duno of the Chattanooga Lookouts grounds a ball to third, and the throw from Caleb Bonemer up the line, and caught by first baseman Ralphy Velazquez. Velazquez has the ball and is straddling the baseline, so there is no where for Duno to go, so he basically says "screw it" and leaves the basepath and heads to the dugout. You can't see it here, but the first base umpire made the two-handed sweeping gesture for out of the baseline, but since the player isn't so much avoiding the tag as he is just heading to the dugout without completing the play, this is abandonment. You score it just the same as if the out was completed in regular fashion, so this is a 5-3 groundout. #MLBFuturesGame #RingTheBell #ATOBTTR

🚨WEIRD PAY ALERT🚨 We have ABANDONMENT!!! Also, there is an irony this happened in Philadelphia and it was a Cincinnati Reds prospect that did it! This is from the 4th inning of today's Future's Game. Alfredo Duno of the Chattanooga Lookouts grounds a ball to third, and the throw from Caleb Bonemer up the line, and caught by first baseman Ralphy Velazquez. Velazquez has the ball and is straddling the baseline, so there is no where for Duno to go, so he basically says "screw it" and leaves the basepath and heads to the dugout. You can't see it here, but the first base umpire made the two-handed sweeping gesture for out of the baseline, but since the player isn't so much avoiding the tag as he is just heading to the dugout without completing the play, this is abandonment. You score it just the same as if the out was completed in regular fashion, so this is a 5-3 groundout. #MLBFuturesGame #RingTheBell #ATOBTTR

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🚨POTENTIAL APPEAL🚨 This is from the St. Louis Cardinals and Philadelphia Phillies game, and by potential appeal, I mean Jesus Luzardo might have appealed when the inning ended and he got to the dugout. This was ruled a single and an error, but Stott has the ball, sets, throws, and shorts it to first, and if the throw is there Jordan Walker is out. There is just no way this stays as a single. This is very much (IMHO) an ordinary effort play here by Bryson Stott. This will get changed to an error, I'm certain of it. #STLCards #RingTheBell

🚨POTENTIAL APPEAL🚨 This is from the St. Louis Cardinals and Philadelphia Phillies game, and by potential appeal, I mean Jesus Luzardo might have appealed when the inning ended and he got to the dugout. This was ruled a single and an error, but Stott has the ball, sets, throws, and shorts it to first, and if the throw is there Jordan Walker is out. There is just no way this stays as a single. This is very much (IMHO) an ordinary effort play here by Bryson Stott. This will get changed to an error, I'm certain of it. #STLCards #RingTheBell

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🚨CHANGE 220🚨 8/15 Chicago White Sox at Detroit Tigers T3 Andrew Benintendi reaches on a throwing error by 2B Gleyber Torres, instead of a base hit. This makes the runs scored later in the inning unearned to P Troy Melton Change 10 for DET #WhiteSox #RepDetroit

🚨CHANGE 220🚨 8/15 Chicago White Sox at Detroit Tigers T3 Andrew Benintendi reaches on a throwing error by 2B Gleyber Torres, instead of a base hit. This makes the runs scored later in the inning unearned to P Troy Melton Change 10 for DET #WhiteSox #RepDetroit

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🚨ODD SCORING ALERT🚨 This is from tonight's #RedSox and Washington Nationals game, from the first inning. Here, Curtis Mead is picked off and decides to run way left of second base, and the throw from Willson Contreras hits him. For scoring purposes, this is a pickoff and a stolen base for Mead, because he took off on the pickoff and never stops or hesitates going to second, so even though the throw hits Mead, by rule it has to be a stolen base. Rules wise, this is a legal move by Mead. He isn't out of the base path because you can establish your own path, and if you don't want to run in a straight line, you don't have to (otherwise there would be no rounding of bases). You cannot be out of the basepath until a tag is attempted (and then you get three feet). #NATITUDE #DirtyWater

🚨ODD SCORING ALERT🚨 This is from tonight's #RedSox and Washington Nationals game, from the first inning. Here, Curtis Mead is picked off and decides to run way left of second base, and the throw from Willson Contreras hits him. For scoring purposes, this is a pickoff and a stolen base for Mead, because he took off on the pickoff and never stops or hesitates going to second, so even though the throw hits Mead, by rule it has to be a stolen base. Rules wise, this is a legal move by Mead. He isn't out of the base path because you can establish your own path, and if you don't want to run in a straight line, you don't have to (otherwise there would be no rounding of bases). You cannot be out of the basepath until a tag is attempted (and then you get three feet). #NATITUDE #DirtyWater

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This is absolutely a base hit ... slow handling isn't an error, and by the time the throw is made the batter is safe.

This is absolutely a base hit ... slow handling isn't an error, and by the time the throw is made the batter is safe.

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🚨CHANGE 157🚨 6/24 Chicago Cubs at New York Mets (G2) T8 Pete Crow-Armstrong now has a single instead of reaching on an error. The error remains for allowing Crow-Armstrong to take 2nd Change 4 for NYM #Cubs #LGM

🚨CHANGE 157🚨 6/24 Chicago Cubs at New York Mets (G2) T8 Pete Crow-Armstrong now has a single instead of reaching on an error. The error remains for allowing Crow-Armstrong to take 2nd Change 4 for NYM #Cubs #LGM

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🚨IT’S ALWAYS THE PHILLIES🚨 This was the Ernie Clement ball for Toronto Blue Jays in the 10th, and folks are wondering how this is a hit. This ends up being a mental error in not making the proper play, and Bohm’s throw to first was on target, just late. He only looked at second, so it can’t be a fielder’s choice, and since he fielded the ball cleanly and was accurate to first, the only thing this can be is a hit. #BlueJays50 #RingTheBell

🚨IT’S ALWAYS THE PHILLIES🚨 This was the Ernie Clement ball for Toronto Blue Jays in the 10th, and folks are wondering how this is a hit. This ends up being a mental error in not making the proper play, and Bohm’s throw to first was on target, just late. He only looked at second, so it can’t be a fielder’s choice, and since he fielded the ball cleanly and was accurate to first, the only thing this can be is a hit. #BlueJays50 #RingTheBell

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🚨CHANGE 208🚨 7/29 Cleveland Guardians at Cincinnati Reds T5 Steven Kwan now reaches on a single, instead of on an error by shortstop Elly De La Cruz. As a result, the four runs that scored in the inning are now earned for pitcher Brady Singer, instead of unearned Change 9 for CIN #GuardsBall #ATOBTTR

🚨CHANGE 208🚨 7/29 Cleveland Guardians at Cincinnati Reds T5 Steven Kwan now reaches on a single, instead of on an error by shortstop Elly De La Cruz. As a result, the four runs that scored in the inning are now earned for pitcher Brady Singer, instead of unearned Change 9 for CIN #GuardsBall #ATOBTTR

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🚨WEIRD SCORING ALERT🚨 This will get fixed but this is the final play of the SFGiants walk-off win over the Los Angeles Angels. In a 6-6 tie with the bases loaded, Rafael Dever’s hits what is normally a ground rule double, but since the winning run is on third, Devers by rule can only be credited with a single, as you can only be credited with the amount of bases needed by the winning run (in this case 90 feet) Currently this is listed a as a double, but Elias Sports Bureau will fix this. Only an over-the-fence home run can allow a team to score more runs than is needed in a walk-off situation. #RepTheHalo #SFGiants

🚨WEIRD SCORING ALERT🚨 This will get fixed but this is the final play of the SFGiants walk-off win over the Los Angeles Angels. In a 6-6 tie with the bases loaded, Rafael Dever’s hits what is normally a ground rule double, but since the winning run is on third, Devers by rule can only be credited with a single, as you can only be credited with the amount of bases needed by the winning run (in this case 90 feet) Currently this is listed a as a double, but Elias Sports Bureau will fix this. Only an over-the-fence home run can allow a team to score more runs than is needed in a walk-off situation. #RepTheHalo #SFGiants

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Here is the play you are asking about from the Washington Nationals and Pittsburgh Pirates game, and this is correctly scored as just an RBI pop out and not a sacrifice fly. The only way you have a sacrifice fly caught by an infielder is if that infielder is running into the outfield. Here, Griffin is parallel, he is not running into the outfield. Yes, he is in the outfield, but running into the outfield means running away from home plate, and that is not the case here. Abrams does get an RBI for this, but it is not a sacrifice fly. #NATITUDE #LetsGoBucs

Here is the play you are asking about from the Washington Nationals and Pittsburgh Pirates game, and this is correctly scored as just an RBI pop out and not a sacrifice fly. The only way you have a sacrifice fly caught by an infielder is if that infielder is running into the outfield. Here, Griffin is parallel, he is not running into the outfield. Yes, he is in the outfield, but running into the outfield means running away from home plate, and that is not the case here. Abrams does get an RBI for this, but it is not a sacrifice fly. #NATITUDE #LetsGoBucs

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From the Kansas City Royals at Seattle Mariners If Cole Young was allowed to have his phone in his back pocket, he would have appealed this while standing on first base. This is 106.6 and the hop is horrible, it’s head high. This would have been an instantaneous hit call for me. This will 100% get changed.

From the Kansas City Royals at Seattle Mariners If Cole Young was allowed to have his phone in his back pocket, he would have appealed this while standing on first base. This is 106.6 and the hop is horrible, it’s head high. This would have been an instantaneous hit call for me. This will 100% get changed.

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I’ve had a ton of questions regarding today’s first inning in Kansas City regarding the Philadelphia Phillies at Kansas City Royals, and why all six runs were earned despite an error. The error by Turner is a throwing error, and while a good throw would have ended the inning, this is NOT an assumed out error because of the out at second base (this is where you don’t assume a double play). So, even without this error, all six runs would have scored, so the six earned runs against Christopher Sánchez is correct. EDIT: adding this, but again, the error here is only for the extra base advancement, not for being safe at first, as the batter officially was safe on a fielder’s choice. The only way you could have an error on this is if the throw was a good one and on target, and the first baseman missed or dropped it. Outside of that, the error is just for the extra bases, not for how the batter reached. He reached on a fielder’s choice. #RingTheBell #FountainsUp

I’ve had a ton of questions regarding today’s first inning in Kansas City regarding the Philadelphia Phillies at Kansas City Royals, and why all six runs were earned despite an error. The error by Turner is a throwing error, and while a good throw would have ended the inning, this is NOT an assumed out error because of the out at second base (this is where you don’t assume a double play). So, even without this error, all six runs would have scored, so the six earned runs against Christopher Sánchez is correct. EDIT: adding this, but again, the error here is only for the extra base advancement, not for being safe at first, as the batter officially was safe on a fielder’s choice. The only way you could have an error on this is if the throw was a good one and on target, and the first baseman missed or dropped it. Outside of that, the error is just for the extra bases, not for how the batter reached. He reached on a fielder’s choice. #RingTheBell #FountainsUp

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I want to go over last night’s doozy in San Francisco because there is A LOT of confusion about it. In a 6-6 tie between the visiting Los Angeles Angels and the home and batting SFGiants with Jesus Rodriguez on third, Luis Arraez on second, and Bymryce Eldridge on first, Rafael Devers hit what is normally a ground rule double. In-game, this was scored as a ground rule double and the final score was determined by the scorer to be 8-6. The issue is there is a rule for this exact situation, which is rule 9.06 (f) “(f) Subject to the provisions of Rule 9.06(g), when a batter ends a game with a safe hit that drives in as many runs as are necessary to put his team in the lead, the Official Scorer shall credit such batter with only as many bases on his hit as are advanced by the runner who scores the winning run, and then only if the batter runs out his hit for as many bases as are advanced by the runner who scores the winning run. Rule 9.06(f) Comment: The Official Scorer shall apply this rule even when the batter is theoretically entitled to more bases because of being awarded an “automatic” extra-base hit under various provisions of Rules 5.05 and 5.06(b)(4).” It’s the comment that is the key element. Even though this is normally an extra base hit for two bases, since the winning run was on third base, he only needed one base to score, so the batter, Devers, by rule can only be credited with one base. I believe support got involved very quickly, because within 10 minutes of me posting about this mistake, the score was adjusted to 7-6, and Devers was credited with a single. Now, Arraez never touched home anyway, but that doesn’t matter as even if he did, by rule, his run wouldn’t have mattered, as the score was 7-6 regardless. I have seen some folks saying the Los Angeles Angels appealed Arraez not touching home and that’s why the score was adjusted. I can confirm that this didn’t happen. Elias Sports Bureau and support got this fixed very quickly. (1/2) #RepTheHalo #SFGiants

I want to go over last night’s doozy in San Francisco because there is A LOT of confusion about it. In a 6-6 tie between the visiting Los Angeles Angels and the home and batting SFGiants with Jesus Rodriguez on third, Luis Arraez on second, and Bymryce Eldridge on first, Rafael Devers hit what is normally a ground rule double. In-game, this was scored as a ground rule double and the final score was determined by the scorer to be 8-6. The issue is there is a rule for this exact situation, which is rule 9.06 (f) “(f) Subject to the provisions of Rule 9.06(g), when a batter ends a game with a safe hit that drives in as many runs as are necessary to put his team in the lead, the Official Scorer shall credit such batter with only as many bases on his hit as are advanced by the runner who scores the winning run, and then only if the batter runs out his hit for as many bases as are advanced by the runner who scores the winning run. Rule 9.06(f) Comment: The Official Scorer shall apply this rule even when the batter is theoretically entitled to more bases because of being awarded an “automatic” extra-base hit under various provisions of Rules 5.05 and 5.06(b)(4).” It’s the comment that is the key element. Even though this is normally an extra base hit for two bases, since the winning run was on third base, he only needed one base to score, so the batter, Devers, by rule can only be credited with one base. I believe support got involved very quickly, because within 10 minutes of me posting about this mistake, the score was adjusted to 7-6, and Devers was credited with a single. Now, Arraez never touched home anyway, but that doesn’t matter as even if he did, by rule, his run wouldn’t have mattered, as the score was 7-6 regardless. I have seen some folks saying the Los Angeles Angels appealed Arraez not touching home and that’s why the score was adjusted. I can confirm that this didn’t happen. Elias Sports Bureau and support got this fixed very quickly. (1/2) #RepTheHalo #SFGiants

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Here is the play folks are asking about, and I don't see an error here. Triolo doesn't make an attempt at the runner going to second, so it cannot be a fielder's choice, and the struggle to get the ball out of his glove isn't an error unless there is a complete loss of contact/bobble with air, and I don't see that either, and Happ then beat out the play at first. I don't see where the error is because Happ is on the base before the ball gets to first. There is an error for the advancements after the bad throw, but I have a single and not an assumed out here.

Here is the play folks are asking about, and I don't see an error here. Triolo doesn't make an attempt at the runner going to second, so it cannot be a fielder's choice, and the struggle to get the ball out of his glove isn't an error unless there is a complete loss of contact/bobble with air, and I don't see that either, and Happ then beat out the play at first. I don't see where the error is because Happ is on the base before the ball gets to first. There is an error for the advancements after the bad throw, but I have a single and not an assumed out here.

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🚨WEIRD SCORING RULE ALERT🚨 This is from today’s SFGiants at Colorado Rockies game. This was ruled a pop out and an RBI, but not a sacrifice fly. The rule in MLB is a sacrifice fly must be caught by an outfielder, or an infielder running into the outfield. I believe this will get appealed and changed as Devers is running into the outfield, and the fact that he stopped running to catch it doesn’t negate that. The scorer might be ruling this not a sacrifice fly because it was caught by an infielder, missing the “infielder running into the outfield” caveat. In college, this is a sacrifice fly because college doesn’t have the infielder rule.

🚨WEIRD SCORING RULE ALERT🚨 This is from today’s SFGiants at Colorado Rockies game. This was ruled a pop out and an RBI, but not a sacrifice fly. The rule in MLB is a sacrifice fly must be caught by an outfielder, or an infielder running into the outfield. I believe this will get appealed and changed as Devers is running into the outfield, and the fact that he stopped running to catch it doesn’t negate that. The scorer might be ruling this not a sacrifice fly because it was caught by an infielder, missing the “infielder running into the outfield” caveat. In college, this is a sacrifice fly because college doesn’t have the infielder rule.

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OK, I have a definitive word on the CJ Abrams play from today's Pittsburgh Pirates at Washington Nationals game after talking with Elias Sports Bureau on this. This play will stay as a sacrifice fly. The originial ruling of NOT a sacrifice fly was for the exact same reason that I thought, which is that the infielder is not running into the outfield, which is year's past would have been correct As it was explained to me, in past years, an infielder had to be running almost in a straight line towards the outfield wall to be considered "running in the outfield". Here, since he is running, and he ends up further away from home (157 feet) than when he started (145 feet), this is going to count as a sacrifice fly. That definition is changing, in part from this play to help bring greater consistency, and to take some of the guesswork out of it (the argument that he is running into the outfield as opposed to more parallel). Now, folks all the time ask "why doesn't MLB publish the OS Manual" and I always say because it is a living document that can have the wording change, and the wording for this play will be modified to something like "more towards the outfield wall than towards home plate" to eliminate any confusion. The big key to this play is that he was running on a full sprint. Also, and this is helpful for me, but for all fly ball outs that score a run, Elias Saba reviews to ensure consistency. So, yes, it's a sacrifice fly, and now that I have that info from Elias themselves, that sort of settles this one. Sounds like the guidelines for this definition will be changing, either this season, or certainly for next season.

OK, I have a definitive word on the CJ Abrams play from today's Pittsburgh Pirates at Washington Nationals game after talking with Elias Sports Bureau on this. This play will stay as a sacrifice fly. The originial ruling of NOT a sacrifice fly was for the exact same reason that I thought, which is that the infielder is not running into the outfield, which is year's past would have been correct As it was explained to me, in past years, an infielder had to be running almost in a straight line towards the outfield wall to be considered "running in the outfield". Here, since he is running, and he ends up further away from home (157 feet) than when he started (145 feet), this is going to count as a sacrifice fly. That definition is changing, in part from this play to help bring greater consistency, and to take some of the guesswork out of it (the argument that he is running into the outfield as opposed to more parallel). Now, folks all the time ask "why doesn't MLB publish the OS Manual" and I always say because it is a living document that can have the wording change, and the wording for this play will be modified to something like "more towards the outfield wall than towards home plate" to eliminate any confusion. The big key to this play is that he was running on a full sprint. Also, and this is helpful for me, but for all fly ball outs that score a run, Elias Saba reviews to ensure consistency. So, yes, it's a sacrifice fly, and now that I have that info from Elias themselves, that sort of settles this one. Sounds like the guidelines for this definition will be changing, either this season, or certainly for next season.

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🚨CHANGE 87🚨 5/10 Tampa Bay Rays at Red Sox T3 Chandler Simpson reaches on a fielding error by shortstop Trevor Story, instead of a single. As a result, Simpson loses an RBI and both runs in the inning are now unearned to Payton Tolle Change 5 for BOS #RaysUp #DirtyWater

🚨CHANGE 87🚨 5/10 Tampa Bay Rays at Red Sox T3 Chandler Simpson reaches on a fielding error by shortstop Trevor Story, instead of a single. As a result, Simpson loses an RBI and both runs in the inning are now unearned to Payton Tolle Change 5 for BOS #RaysUp #DirtyWater

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Folks are asking about this play from the Kansas City Royals and Detroit Tigers. This was ruled Riley Greene reaching on a fielder's choice with the runner Kevin McGonigle safe at second on the error (and he eventually went to third). This is scored correctly, as this is an ordinary effort play by the second baseman Andrew Velazquez, who just has to catch an easy bouncing grounder and step on second. There is no way this is a double, and a hit an any shape or form. This is a really easy, ordinary effort play for the second baseman. #FountainsUp #RepDetroit

Folks are asking about this play from the Kansas City Royals and Detroit Tigers. This was ruled Riley Greene reaching on a fielder's choice with the runner Kevin McGonigle safe at second on the error (and he eventually went to third). This is scored correctly, as this is an ordinary effort play by the second baseman Andrew Velazquez, who just has to catch an easy bouncing grounder and step on second. There is no way this is a double, and a hit an any shape or form. This is a really easy, ordinary effort play for the second baseman. #FountainsUp #RepDetroit

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Not a change, but I've had a TON of folks asking if this is getting changed from June 10. This is a ball hit by Mookie Betts of the Los Angeles Dodgers and it was ruled an error on Jake Mangum of the Pittsburgh Pirates. The only thing I can think of is that Mookie didn't appeal, because this is a base hit, it's always been a base hit, and it will continue to be a base hit. Except on this one play. There is no way a sliding attempt like this is an error. I know Mangum broke the wrong way, but that doesn't factor it ... it's the catch, the physical catch, and there is ZERO CHANCE this is ordinary effort. I know we talk changes here, but this non-change is the most confounding one for me since Aaron Judge's first career walk-off hit, which was the most obvious fielder's choice of all time, but because it was the last play of the season, it didn't get appealed or changed.

Not a change, but I've had a TON of folks asking if this is getting changed from June 10. This is a ball hit by Mookie Betts of the Los Angeles Dodgers and it was ruled an error on Jake Mangum of the Pittsburgh Pirates. The only thing I can think of is that Mookie didn't appeal, because this is a base hit, it's always been a base hit, and it will continue to be a base hit. Except on this one play. There is no way a sliding attempt like this is an error. I know Mangum broke the wrong way, but that doesn't factor it ... it's the catch, the physical catch, and there is ZERO CHANCE this is ordinary effort. I know we talk changes here, but this non-change is the most confounding one for me since Aaron Judge's first career walk-off hit, which was the most obvious fielder's choice of all time, but because it was the last play of the season, it didn't get appealed or changed.

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🚨WEIRD PLAY ALERT🚨 First, weird doesn’t do this justice. This is from Wednesday night’s game between AAA Albuquerque Isotopes at Reno Reno Aces … with one out B9, ABQ leads 4-3, but Reno has bases loaded. Connor Kaiser hits a gapper for a double and seemingly the win … BUT … R3 (Aramis Garcia) scores to make it 4-4 R2: (Christian Pache) runs into Ildemaro Vargas who ran on the field with a cell phone to record the celebration and accidentally knocked Pache over, which is unintentional interference. R1: (Andy Weber) stopped before third, and Kaiser rounded second and started to head to the celebration… BUT… Pache was called out (2-unassisted) so it was 4-4 … BUT … Topes CF Sam Hilliard thought the game was over on the hit so he flipped the ball over the fence to a kid … BUT … Since it was only 4-4, and coach/player interference is not a dead ball, flipping the ball into the stands is an error on Hilliard, and the penalty is the base you are going to at the time of the throw, plus another, meaning Weber, who stopped short of third, was awarded third, and then home to win the game. Final score … 5-4 Reno. Holy crap. Now, they will get the scoring fixed tomorrow (let’s face it this is a new one) but they will remove on of the RBIs from Kaiser, and add an error to Hilliard. The first runner is unearned because he reached on an error, and since Pache’s INT should have been the third out, Weber is also unearned. Absolutely the dumbest, silliest, best baseball ending to a game in a long, long time. Jimmy O'Brien and Close Call Sports & Umpire Ejection Fantasy League will have a field day. Here is the clip with the ABQ radio call over it because it conveys the craziness way better than the Reno call.

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