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Stephen Meyer explains why Dawkin’s parsimony argument against God is total nonsense.

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Lars Iggy profil fotoğrafı
Lars Iggy4 ay önce

Stephen Meyer is a scammer. Also so bad at it nobody outside of cults listen to him. Meyer's "Dawkins' parsimony argument is nonsense" rests on three moves. Each has well-documented problems.

The Fallen Ape-theist profil fotoğrafı
The Fallen Ape-theist4 ay önce

Lucky for you people I don’t know what parsimony means. Otherwise I would be ENRAGED! 🤭

Robbservations profil fotoğrafı
Robbservations4 ay önce

Meanwhile….. Stephen C. Meyer is a Discovery Institute nut-job refuted by scientists that actually stick with the scientific method not their childhood indoctrination.

Andrew Pery | LITMUS Institute profil fotoğrafı
Andrew Pery | LITMUS Institute4 ay önce

Dawkins is a really poor philosopher and polemicist. Stephen is 100% correct. Naturally, atheists will utterly hate him for it!

Jim McPherson profil fotoğrafı
Jim McPherson4 ay önce

Stephen C. Meyer is really doing a lot of good. He makes clear and defendable scientific arguments for design and it absolutely drives the militant athiests crazy. They hate him, but have no ability to put together a credible reason why.

Simon rcD profil fotoğrafı
Simon rcD4 ay önce

The claim isn't that more complex things can't make simpler things, it's that more complex things are far harder to explain than simple things.

ThankReason4That profil fotoğrafı
ThankReason4That4 ay önce

Literally the stupidest attempt to refute a simple concept I’ve ever seen. No wonder literally no one outside of your circle jerk of an echo chamber even listens to him 🤷‍♂️🥱

Christopher Chambers (He/Him/His) profil fotoğrafı
Christopher Chambers (He/Him/His)4 ay önce

Meyer works against a strawman of Dawkins’ claim, which he says is: “A more complex thing can never explain a simpler thing.” But Dawkins’ point is narrower and more epistemic: Explanations are supposed to reduce unexplained complexity, not relocate it into a bigger mystery.

jrc99us✝️ profil fotoğrafı
jrc99us✝️4 ay önce

Since 2001, when I began my Truth Journey, atheists used to claim to be the keepers of logic, reason, science, and 25 years later, they wholly abandoned all three and mock anyone, especially Christians, who employ logic, reason, and science to defend the existence of God.

mark gamache profil fotoğrafı
mark gamache4 ay önce

That's not the argument. I guess he couldn't argue against what Dawkins really says so he needed a strawman.

DRAGO profil fotoğrafı
DRAGO4 ay önce

Another angle is that atheists have more brute facts vs the theists' singular ground of God, hence atheists violate their own parsimony criterion. In other words, parsimony shouldn't be measured with respect to the number of layers in an explanation but rather should look at how many nodes can be found in a worldview's base/grounding layer.

Atheist Bird profil fotoğrafı
Atheist Bird4 ay önce

Stephen Meyer is a hack and a con. He doesn't understand the problem that is being challenged, neither do you. You're an idiot, and not successful enough to be a con.

Barney profil fotoğrafı
Barney4 ay önce

Stephen C. Meyer. "He is an advocate of intelligent design, a pseudoscientific creationist argument for the existence of God." In other words, a charlatan.

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Brendan the Catholic 🇻🇦🇺🇸4 ay önce

@SwipeWright I think you were defending this position awhile back. Something to consider!

David Soup profil fotoğrafı
David Soup4 ay önce

Brilliant!

Basic Heresy profil fotoğrafı
Basic Heresy4 ay önce

New Atheism is still undefeated. The only atheists who want to distance themselves are those who think Wokeism was a reaction to atheism. Which is dumb.

unapuckagetic profil fotoğrafı
unapuckagetic4 ay önce

Is Richard Dawkins more complicated than his book? Sure. But is that the ultimate point of what he was saying? No. You're escalating complexity and then just plain not explaining complexity in principle. Every intelligent designer you can point to you expect to explain them with yet another even more complicated intelligent designer. And then when someone asks you to explain that infinitely complicated intelligent designer you expect everyone else to cease mental function like you conveniently do on the topic. Can you figure out why the issue doesn't go away?

Joey McGirr profil fotoğrafı
Joey McGirr4 ay önce

“I self triggered myself.” 😂🤣

Don Dank profil fotoğrafı
Don Dank4 ay önce

The Bible is an incest fantasy book.

Javier profil fotoğrafı
Javier4 ay önce

The other flaw he makes is that while we may be positing a more complex thing as an explanation for a something, in all these examples we are positing HUMANS as the causative agent, and we KNOW humans exist. Positing God as explanation is positing an a being for which we no proof

Patti of Canada 🇨🇦👣🕊️ profil fotoğrafı
Patti of Canada 🇨🇦👣🕊️4 ay önce

I love Stephen Meyer. I really do wish he would stop calling Bill Gates a hero.

Bata Kali profil fotoğrafı
Bata Kali4 ay önce

They are making a blatant error in their thinking in trying to show the parsimony argument is false. The parsimony argument is: "The universe requires explanation. Theism posits God + the universe. Naturalism posits just the universe (or a minimal physical substrate). ...

The Wasatchquatch profil fotoğrafı
The Wasatchquatch4 ay önce

This sound familiar... @SwipeWright

Joshua Money profil fotoğrafı
Joshua Money4 ay önce

“If that were true, it’d always be wrong posit the action of an intelligent agent” YEAH!

williams worldview profil fotoğrafı
williams worldview4 ay önce

God is not an explanation for anything, when nothing about that God can be known. Since you can not know anything about your God, saying "God did it" explains nothing. It has the same value as "I dont know"

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Todd Burkholder4 ay önce

I find these generic God discussions boring. Evidence for a Creator God has always been obvious. The irony is the people who made this film believe The Big Bang and reject what the true God of scripture told us ! Big Bang is completely incomparable with the Bible. Beware….

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Dan Expedian ☦️🇷🇴🇺🇸4 ay önce

Occam's razor is not a rule like a physical law. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Reality can be complex-iest, not simplest. Occam's razor is just a tool we can use if we don't have time in order to take a fast decision, it's like pattern recognition or approximations.

Mag-E🍀 profil fotoğrafı
Mag-E🍀4 ay önce

I think the new Atheists were successful because they were able to control the narrative about what Christianity is. As well as there being a lot of rather bad Christian apologetics going on back in the day that was easy to hold up as the face of Christianity for them to attack. That only works for a while. After a while your opponents will learn your arguments and how to refute them. The new Atheists basically just scurried away when push came to shove. Of course other than Sam Harris the rest are getting quite old, or have passed away. But, usually it's not the old guard who learns the new polemics and apologetics, it's the new ones. But. Atheism really never got any good new bloods. Instead most of the next generation got consumed by other ideologies instead - heck Sam Harris did too. At the same time you got both Christian apologetics, as well as people like Jordan Peterson, who started changing the narrative about what Christianity is. And, I'd argue they were successful because people can see the fruits each tree brings. Atheism brough ideological possession, and the pathway to where society is today.

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travisonic4 ay önce

A word salad as ridiculous as drivel from Jordan Peterson.

Prljava Metalika 🤘👹 profil fotoğrafı
Prljava Metalika 🤘👹4 ay önce

This is so dumb.

Irate Samurai profil fotoğrafı
Irate Samurai4 ay önce

Occam's razor isn't an axiom

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Steve the Douglas squirrel4 ay önce

Graham Oppy is not a new atheist. His position is the naturalism explains the world in a simpler way than theism.

Abigail Putin profil fotoğrafı
Abigail Putin4 ay önce

the host hasn't learnt to just shut the fuck up and let the smarter guy talk.

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