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These bureaucrats have twisted it for Gadkari by creating a misconception that mileage and average are the same thing. Mileage is the official fuel efficiency measured under standardized testing conditions, whereas average is the actual real-world fuel economy your vehicle delivers. Claimed mileage can vary, but what ultimately matters... to vehicle owners is the real-world average. The same question applies to E20 fuel. If it was tested in controlled laboratory conditions, where is the real-world testing? Which cars and bikes were tested over the long term, in different climates, terrains, and driving conditions? That’s exactly what I asked during the protest not for a lab report, but for real-world evidence! ☺️ Tehseen Poonawalla Official 🇮🇳 Dineshshow more

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🚨 BIG! IIT Kanpur challenges the biggest E20 MYTH Think ethanol-blended petrol is killing your mileage? An IIT Kanpur study says DON’T BLAME E20 YET 🤯 The key findings: — NO evidence that E20 damages vehicle engines — The widely discussed 5% mileage drop may NOT be caused by E20 Researchers say driving habits, road conditions & vehicle maintenance have a much bigger impact on FUEL EFFICIENCY than the fuel itself The team also successfully tested E85, noting that higher ethanol blends require specially designed engines🎯

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Manta Ray is an uncrewed underwater vehicle developed by Northrop Grumman that is designed to look and swim like a real manta ray. It is built for long-range military missions with minimal human involvement and can operate in deep ocean environments where humans can't go. The vehicle recently completed successful in-water testing under DARPA, showing it is ready for real-world operations.

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