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Unitree founder Wang Xingxing: In robotics, locomotion and basic motion is mostly solved. But grasping and manipulation—anything related to haptics—hasn’t been solved. That’s the key bottleneck preventing them from being deployed at scale in factories and homes. He says that simulation is much faster for training but for manipulation...

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