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Is biological aging actually reversible? De Grey believes it will eventually be possible. Kaeberlein is the complete opposite: "I think it's almost impossible, if not impossible, to completely reverse biological aging." His reason is simple. "You can't reverse entropy." However, does believe you can improve health and parts of... show more
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Hehe. Whenever someone says that Matt and I have completely opposite beliefs about some question in the field, you can be absolutely sure that they are oversimplifying. On this question, Matt and I entirely agree; it's all a matter of how much of the damage of aging 1) can be repaired today, 2) is likely to be repairable in the foreseeable future, 3) needs to be repaired to reach LEV, and 4) needs to be repaired in order that we can say "biological aging has been COMPLETELY reversed". If that had been the question, it's absolutely certain that both my and Matt's answers would have been, respectively: a minority, a majority, a majority, and all of it. The only sliver of disagreement we would have is whether the "majority" in question 3 is larger than the one in question 2 - and even there it hinges on what we each mean by "foreseeable". As Matt makes clear, he was choosing to answer question 4, whereas I was answering question 3.
agreed as of today but we have already had results that I think push back
“You can’t reverse entropy”. A fundamental of thermodynamics is that in an isolated system entropy will increase. But a human body subject to health interventions is not an isolated system. The entropy in the system can be reduced by increasing entropy outside the system
What a silly take about entropy. Without entropy you don’t have the complex novelty that life creates. Physical immorality is absolutely possible because engineering exists.
By Kaeberlein's logic, we can't fix cars. Ridiculous.
Yeah but he is wrong because there are animals that apparently reverse entropy
>"You can't reverse entropy." tell that to my AC that is quite literally a thermal entropy generator that claim only stands for closed systems. the human body is absolutely not a closed system as evidenced by the fact that you eat food and excrete shit
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Entropy's a one-way street, but research keeps pushing the boundaries.
it’s possible, the best combinitorics are being tested in humans now for the first time.
Well, entropy is technically reversible, if you know where all the pieces were before you can put them back. We are not an inanimate objects.
What about the immortal jellyfish? Biology is more modifiable than what one might think
My money on sinclair
That’s retarded as fuck. You can actually reverse entropy locally, the second law only applies to closed systems. Hope this guy doesn’t have a physics degree.
i was thinking like De grey 2-3 years before. But when i see that everything is going very very very slower; even if it is sad , i am thinking like Kaeberlain anymore. wee will all die
He's wrong. With his claim there would be neither a brain nor AI or any other model.
No, Age reversal is not possible. Even when the ancients imbibed Ambrosia and Nectar, they remained the same biological age. Otherwise, Zeus would have appeared as a young man, and not how we depict him, an old man with white hair and beard. Aging is not a disease. It's a patina. The older you get, the more you realize that.
Idk the system avoids entropy pretty well over decades, that’s pretty close already to immortality given you’re already 99.9% there in terms of self maintenance.
Matt @mkaeberlein needs to change his opinion now.
I guess it depends partly on how strict your definitions are.
Why is this idiot getting attention?
What? You can’t reduce entropy in an open system?
Que entropia? En ratones ya se consiguió
First, you can reverse entropy in an open system. Second, for a CLOSED system, THERE IS AS YET INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR A MEANINGFUL ANSWER
